I'm happy with anything.


p.s. It's Nordschleife

Jan Johnston - Flesh

Hi Frank, see here for more info :

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=19355

#17 here..

Nope, haven't timed out for like 2 hours now..

Quote from lococost :

It's [Elite] Lococost officially, but its fine by me

Dont forget to add [coffeewithsugarandcream] Michel 4AGE

It's sugar with coffee and cream. Big detail

But these races are going to be lotsa fun, XRT is just great

copy/paste pocoloco.

Quote from ajp71 :

Try looking for a copy of the rather excelent BMW drivers guide to the 'ring that's knocking around the place in a pdf file (I think legally).

http://www.bmw.com/generic/com ... pdf/bmwm_nordschleife.pdf

Can any1 lend me lyk 2k ? plz ?!1?

repeat 100 times.

I'm not sure but I think you need serious help

Always liked Suske & Wiske

http://suskeenwiske.library.uu.nl/intro/engintro.html

July 17th 2004

CC CleanCruisers - South City Sprint1 Reverse

1. Martin Gold XRT 4:10.460
2. tuke XRT +0:02.990
3. Michel 4AGE XRT +0:22.080
etc. etc.

But I can't remember that race. I do however remember my very first online race on S1 demo on BL1 with the XFG with keyboard haha ! I crashed everyone in T1, was so emberassed (spelling?) that I hitted my PC reset/restart button lol !

Nordschleife. Oh yes. I'm ready to pay anything.

pretty plz.

Quote from pasibrzuch :

The more car - the better.

The more balanced cars, the better. Only then, more cars.

That's a nice curve there. It actually has power under the curve, instead of just a peak number.

Quote from n0stra :

I quote the worlds biggest encyclopedia, where do you get your bs? Oh yea im a fanboy, then what about you? Just like whining all day?

I get my bs from 10yrs track experience and actually building engines, not from "teh internet" .

Last edited by Michel 4AGE, Thu 7 Dec 2006, 20:24.

Quote from das9125 :

n0stra. Nice

Yes the 111 was not turborcharged, but as n0stra pointed out, it was a 5 cylinder, 20v version, versus 16v, 165hp, a limited edition, still beat by a non-special edition B16B.
My intial argument was that no engine manufacturer could get close to the horsepower performance by Honda for N/A engines, especially american cars.
I was just stating that Honda had better hp performance, whether a little or a lot. The S2000 for example has some F1 technology, look at engine diagrams, and its high rpm ranges are incredible for a production car.
Even my Civic redlines at 7,500 and dials stock to 10,000.
Nissan has some great engines, the Skyline is awesome, Toyota on the other hand, have had some nice cars along the way, but nothing in constant production, nothing to compete against the Civic Type R year after year.
And Michel, I dont just like Honda engines. I like engines in general. The engineering behind the performance and realiability in an engine. An engineer myself.
But since you brought up the Honda vs Toyota argument, I'll follow up and beat you all the way.
Toyota on the other hand, have had to play catch up to Honda during the last 15 years believe it or not. Even in racing. After all how many titles does Toyota have in F1 versus Honda? And the current Toyota F1 program is twice the budget of Honda with nothing to show.
And in the racing community? Its a no contest, Honda by a great margin. Nissan being a much smaller manufacturer even edges Toyota.
Besides Hondas also look much nicer than Toyotas, hehe. I heard a better version of the new NSX is on the way. Wohoo!

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/06/honda_nsx-r_front.jpg
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/02/nsxrgt05_03.jpg
So you wanna keep going at the Honda vs Toyota?

Dude pls stop. I can tell you're a hardcore Honda fanboy. I don't mind. But please stop talking bullshit. Since when is the 20v a 5cyl ? Last time I checked under my hood it was a 4cyl ? And does the B16 come with a Yamaha ITB's/4throttle system from factory ? I don't think so. Also the 20v was in n o way a special limited engine or whatsoever.
Have you ever seen a Blacktop 20v in real life ? Do you know why it's only 165hp from factory ? Your Civic redlines at 7500. Cool. Mine does @ 8200rpm. So what ? Is the redline something that determines the perfection from your car ? I don't think so.

Yeah sure the S2000 engine has F1 technology. Is that why it consumes more oil then gasoline ? And what about torque ?

Yeah the older ones are pretty understeered. I'm not 100% sure but I think the newer ones have DCCD, bit more neutral/oversteery.

Quote from n0stra :

I love alot of the japanese engines around, both the heavier older ones and the new aluminium ones from wankel to vtec to vvti to boxers and so on. I just dont like people talking down about other engines without having the facts 100 percent right when trying to give the impression that they do. If one were to say "i think that the nissan engines are much better" well thats their opinion. When stating facts when they are not necessarily correct, well thats something completly different.

I'm not saying / trying to tell that Honda or whatever is inferior or something, I'm just trying to say that it's not only Honda that makes good/reliable engines with high HP/ltr. I also don't fancy to go along with factory specs, I prefer real life experience.

Quote from das9125 :

Michel, And the Toyota Levin engine? Supercharged buddy.
Compare to Corollas.
I sustain that no comercial car that competes pricewise with Honda has the hp/displacement for N/A engines.

Nissan's VVL engines are very much like Honda's VTECs, except some turbocharged. The N1? Nice. Hard to find. and discontinued.

Yeah the AE101 is supercharged. But the AE111 isn't. Those Nissan VE engines are N/A too, so I don't get your point. But maybe you just like Honda only

Quote from n0stra :

PS: comparing VTEC/i-VTEC to VVT-i and others systems as inferior and old is just plain rubbish. Get your facts straight, i would suggest checking out the history of the technology on wikipedia and other more objective sites.

Would you try and explain in your own words why systems like VVT are inferior/rubbish/old ?

Quote from das9125 :

But with the B16A, stock 168hp, someone tell me of a better stock engine for the price of my civic?

Toyota AE111 BZ-R /w 4A-GE 20v. 1587cc 170HP/155Nm
Toyota AE101 GTZ /w 4A-GZE 16v 1587cc 170BHP/210Nm
Nissan SR16VE 173hp 1600cc
Nissan SR16VE N1 197hp 1600cc

Sorry , had to do this

offtopic Q :

On what day are these races held ?

Ontopic :

Nice coverage

Buuuuurp

lol nice set

Guides like these are dangerous. There are too many people being killed in an attempt to follow these guides. Nice to read though.